Comments on: Basic Website Savviness /2007/07/06/34/ Webspam, Google, Et Cetera Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:05:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Doug Heil /2007/07/06/34/#comment-99 Doug Heil Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:51:56 +0000 /2007/07/06/34/#comment-99 oops. I just noticed I bumped up a July thread. Well heck; the thread was new to me. :D oops. I just noticed I bumped up a July thread.

Well heck; the thread was new to me. :D

]]> By: Doug Heil /2007/07/06/34/#comment-98 Doug Heil Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:49:10 +0000 /2007/07/06/34/#comment-98 Hi Brian, While I agree with the idea that site owners should be aware of what is going on with their sites, ... many simply are not and do not even know how to learn how to be aware. They are either too busy and just allow their webmaster to do everything, or they don't know the actual consequences of being caught for se spam... meaning that they don't know until it's them in those shoes. DaveN is correct in that someone websavvy would be well..... websavvy, and they already know about Brian's blog and Matt's blog. Jeff; Yes. You are websavvy as you are "in here" right now, so you obviously know how to be aware. :) Other site owners might want to be more aware, but they fail to find the right places to learn about such things, or they found the wrong places, and they have no idea who Matt and Brian are. Hi Brian, While I agree with the idea that site owners should be aware of what is going on with their sites, … many simply are not and do not even know how to learn how to be aware. They are either too busy and just allow their webmaster to do everything, or they don’t know the actual consequences of being caught for se spam… meaning that they don’t know until it’s them in those shoes.

DaveN is correct in that someone websavvy would be well….. websavvy, and they already know about Brian’s blog and Matt’s blog.

Jeff; Yes. You are websavvy as you are “in here” right now, so you obviously know how to be aware. :)

Other site owners might want to be more aware, but they fail to find the right places to learn about such things, or they found the wrong places, and they have no idea who Matt and Brian are.

]]> By: Eric Itzkowitz /2007/07/06/34/#comment-67 Eric Itzkowitz Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:47:03 +0000 /2007/07/06/34/#comment-67 Don't think for a minute that there are not a ton of the "get rich quick" types out there whose MO reads, "I'll get my client's site(s) to rank as high as possible in the least amount of time possible using various ahem... tactics. We'll both reap the larger rewards short-term. If the site(s) get penalized, or worse, I've ensured myself another couple months of work trying to get them back to the level they previously were." Sad, but true. Don’t think for a minute that there are not a ton of the “get rich quick” types out there whose MO reads, “I’ll get my client’s site(s) to rank as high as possible in the least amount of time possible using various ahem… tactics. We’ll both reap the larger rewards short-term. If the site(s) get penalized, or worse, I’ve ensured myself another couple months of work trying to get them back to the level they previously were.”

Sad, but true.

]]> By: Jeff Phillips /2007/07/06/34/#comment-59 Jeff Phillips Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:28:08 +0000 /2007/07/06/34/#comment-59 I am a business owner and take an active role in reviewing what our in house designers are doing. Notice I did not say our in house SEOs because we I have never hired anyone specifically for the task of SEO. We are a small office in Western Kentucky with a staff of 9 people. I speak with each one daily and review how we are assembling pages for clients, current best practices, css, design trends, etc. I am working to encourage my staff to embrace the online community and contribute at various blogs when the opportunity presents itself and at the same time monitor the time online and make sure they are productive and taking care of our customer as well. We did have one employee that was a bit of a maverick and almost got us in trouble with duplicate content (supplemental hell) due to an oversight and not paying attention to detail. He is no longer with us. We had an employee that had a daily get rich scheme he wanted to pass by the staff and would get huffy when we rolled our eyes. He started spamming our website on questionable websites saying he was trying to improve our PR by increasing the number of links to our site. He is no longer with us. Funny thing is, that when given the opportunity to go on his own and expand on any number of his get rich quick schemes, whose business model do you think he is trying to copy? Ours. We rank well for our selected terms and we do it through diligence, community, involvement, and paying attention to details. We read the experts blogs, throw out what we believe to be bull crap, and pay attention to the baser fundamentals. It has worked for us so far, and I as the owner of this business intent to keep it that way. I am a business owner and take an active role in reviewing what our in house designers are doing. Notice I did not say our in house SEOs because we I have never hired anyone specifically for the task of SEO. We are a small office in Western Kentucky with a staff of 9 people. I speak with each one daily and review how we are assembling pages for clients, current best practices, css, design trends, etc. I am working to encourage my staff to embrace the online community and contribute at various blogs when the opportunity presents itself and at the same time monitor the time online and make sure they are productive and taking care of our customer as well.

We did have one employee that was a bit of a maverick and almost got us in trouble with duplicate content (supplemental hell) due to an oversight and not paying attention to detail. He is no longer with us.

We had an employee that had a daily get rich scheme he wanted to pass by the staff and would get huffy when we rolled our eyes. He started spamming our website on questionable websites saying he was trying to improve our PR by increasing the number of links to our site. He is no longer with us. Funny thing is, that when given the opportunity to go on his own and expand on any number of his get rich quick schemes, whose business model do you think he is trying to copy? Ours.

We rank well for our selected terms and we do it through diligence, community, involvement, and paying attention to details. We read the experts blogs, throw out what we believe to be bull crap, and pay attention to the baser fundamentals. It has worked for us so far, and I as the owner of this business intent to keep it that way.

]]> By: DaveN /2007/07/06/34/#comment-57 DaveN Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:01:38 +0000 /2007/07/06/34/#comment-57 Brian thats all well and good, but if you sat down with the Amstrad group , Alan Sugar won't have a clue what the hell his programmers, marketing or external consultants where doing.. your advice works well for websavvy owners, but then again they all ready new that I guess.. due to them been websavvy DaveN Brian thats all well and good, but if you sat down with the Amstrad group , Alan Sugar won’t have a clue what the hell his programmers, marketing or external consultants where doing.. your advice works well for websavvy owners, but then again they all ready new that I guess.. due to them been websavvy

DaveN

]]> By: Brian /2007/07/06/34/#comment-56 Brian Tue, 10 Jul 2007 17:23:42 +0000 /2007/07/06/34/#comment-56 My focus in this post was on the business owner, not the SEO or the Web Designer. :) I don't see a lot of posts on search blogs or forums where neither of the conversing parties are not an SEO or SEM and wanted to throw in my 2c :) My focus in this post was on the business owner, not the SEO or the Web Designer. :) I don’t see a lot of posts on search blogs or forums where neither of the conversing parties are not an SEO or SEM and wanted to throw in my 2c :)

]]> By: Arnab Ganguly /2007/07/06/34/#comment-55 Arnab Ganguly Mon, 09 Jul 2007 07:32:22 +0000 /2007/07/06/34/#comment-55 I agree with Adam. SEO's does not risk a client site if he/she is knowledgeable. As said above its the section comprising of ignorant Web Designers or SEO who doesnot have clue as to what Search Engine Friendly Design is? I agree with Adam. SEO’s does not risk a client site if he/she is knowledgeable. As said above its the section comprising of ignorant Web Designers or SEO who doesnot have clue as to what Search Engine Friendly Design is?

]]> By: Adam Senour /2007/07/06/34/#comment-54 Adam Senour Sun, 08 Jul 2007 18:43:17 +0000 /2007/07/06/34/#comment-54 Both you and Sebastian touched on my major thought on the whole issue...it's not SEOs knowingly putting clients' sites at risk...it's ignorant SEOs, and in many cases SEO/webmaster hybrids, unwittingly putting client sites in danger. It's a daily occurrence to see posts in webmaster forums about "Link exchange with PR4 site" or "Why isn't my site ranked? I put 1000 words in my meta description tag!" or the mythical -30/-950 penalties or the "Is there a major Google update? My site doesn't rank anymore." The thing with that article is that there's absolutely nothing in it for an ethical SEO to take umbrage with. The article was nothing more than a Russian website owner expressing his thoughts. It's more of an op-ed piece than it is an article. So what? It's not that big a deal. Both you and Sebastian touched on my major thought on the whole issue…it’s not SEOs knowingly putting clients’ sites at risk…it’s ignorant SEOs, and in many cases SEO/webmaster hybrids, unwittingly putting client sites in danger. It’s a daily occurrence to see posts in webmaster forums about “Link exchange with PR4 site” or “Why isn’t my site ranked? I put 1000 words in my meta description tag!” or the mythical -30/-950 penalties or the “Is there a major Google update? My site doesn’t rank anymore.”

The thing with that article is that there’s absolutely nothing in it for an ethical SEO to take umbrage with. The article was nothing more than a Russian website owner expressing his thoughts. It’s more of an op-ed piece than it is an article. So what? It’s not that big a deal.

]]> By: Sebastian /2007/07/06/34/#comment-53 Sebastian Fri, 06 Jul 2007 20:01:36 +0000 /2007/07/06/34/#comment-53 I agree that the number of SEOs putting their client's sites at risk is small. I consider clueless Web designers way more dangerous ;) At the moment there's not much help but a lot of noise available at the Google Webmaster Group: http://groups.google.com/group/Google_Webmaster_Help-chit-chat/browse_thread/thread/cb5d346780a0c5a0/ I agree that the number of SEOs putting their client’s sites at risk is small. I consider clueless Web designers way more dangerous ;)

At the moment there’s not much help but a lot of noise available at the Google Webmaster Group:

http://groups.google.com/group/Google_Webmaster_Help-chit-chat/browse_thread/thread/cb5d346780a0c5a0/

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